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JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCE NO. 1757 TRANSCRIPT
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HON. TROY E. NEHLS
of texas
in the house of representatives
Monday, January 3, 2022
Mr. NEHLS. Madam Speaker, on December 31, 2021 Joe Rogan hosted Dr. Robert Malone M.D. on his podcast to discuss the COVID-19 pandemic and the Federal government's response. That podcast has been met with unbridled censorship by big tech. In. accordance with House rules, I add the first five pages of the transcript to the Record, the remainder can be viewed at https://nehls.house.gov/posts/joe-rogan-experience-
1757-dr-robert-malone-md-full-transcript.
Experience No. 1757 Transcript
(By Joe Rogan and Dr. Robert Malone)
Joe Rogan: So, first of all, thanks for coming and uh very nice tie.
Dr. Robert Malone: Thanks christmas present um actually ryan cole is the one that first got these and uh my wife has been jealous ever since so this is what I got for . . .
JR: Where does one get a Covid tie?
RM: I don't know she looked it up on on Amazon or some place and and found it
JR: you gotta love how industrious some of these folks are they're just you know they find a niche like I know what I wanna sell: Covid ties and there you go.
RM: I gotta I gotta have a tux for an event that's coming up in texas in a couple of months and so my wife is writing to the guy that does the ties and to see if he can make a bow tie that's got the virus on it
JR: are you uh I niean are you tired of this . . .
RM: tired
JR: . . . dealing with this do you feel a duty to talk about this like we should just say uh because uh historically we should just state what's happening here so today is the 20 no the 30th of december and yesterday you were kicked off twitter correct
RM: true
JR: Um, we scheduled this in advance. It's just coincidentally that you were kicked off twitter. What what were you kicked out first of all before we even do this please tell everybody what your history is and what your what your degrees are and what you do?
RM: okay so I'm going to do the short version okay um some you know this can last for an hour um if we go into the whole history of mrna vaccines and all that kind of stuff uh my history I I am uh I was originally a carpenter and a farmhand uh in the central coast of california and decided that I wanted to go back to school and uh did two years of computer science and then decided that I didn't want to spend the rest of my life looking at a computer monitor in abasement bad decision and decided that I wanted to try to become an MD which was a hard thing to try to do in the in the late 70s so that was a real stretch objective. Went to uc davis after two years of undergrad at san barbara city college and uh and wanted to work on this new tech space called molecular biology in particular on cancer my mother was deathly afraid of breast cancer and so I looked around and found laboratory at uc davis with a guy named bob cardiff and another guy named murray gardner that were working with retroviruses and their links to breast cancer and it just happened that while I was in there this is circa 83 84. um this whole thing cut loose in san francisco with the immunodeficiency syndrome in men and uh the lab ended up right at the forefront of that you know davis is just down the street basically from san francisco and at the davis primate center they had discovered that there were monkeys that had immune deficiency and so I was there in the lab as an undergraduate as a total bench rat m when preston marks and murray gardner and others made the first discovery of a retrovirus basis for emitter deficiency in primates and uh then murray went to the pastor brought back the virus literally in his pocket um he went with there with bob gallo met with a guy named Luc Montagnier that you may know and uh that kind of kicked off the whole vaccine effort for aids so I that's kind of what I cut my teeth on uh and so I came out of that I you know I was uh it was it was really bold to think that I could get into medical school um and I kind of overshot the mark I qot an MD PhD scholarship at northwestern university in chicago and uh so I went from having grown up in santa barbara with my wife, we were high school sweethearts, to chicago and that was kind of an abrupt uh transition so um we decided I would do my graduate work at san diego and i'd been accepted into a program at uc san diego that had two of the top gene therapy specialists I really wanted to do gene therapy with retroviruses that was what I thought was going to be my life and so we moved down to san diego and I started working in the laboratory of indoor verma which is in the molecular biology and virology labs at the salk institute and this is a place where graduate students normally aren't allowed to go it was there was seven nobel laureates at the time plus Jonas a really intense competitive environment carved out a little niche that I was going to work on for my graduate work which was asking questions about how retrovirus RNA is packaged and from that I had to develop a series of technologies to manufacture RNA and structure it and eventually put it into cells and that through a cascade of events being at the right place the right time asking the right questions surrounded by geniuses led to the series of discoveries that now performs the basis of the RNA technology platform that gives rise to these vaccines and 10 issued patents from they were all filed in '89. So, that's kind of my origin story that it relates to this virus and vaccine and this but since then went on finished my md did two fellowships at uc davis top pathology for years set up a gene therapy lab had many other discoveries came out to the east coast created the technoloqy platform that is now the basis of the company called inovio we actually originally founded inovio in the United States this is uh pulsed electrical fields they have one of the DNA vaccines for Covid then the planes hit the towers the investors pulled back and I went to work for a company called dynport vaccine company that had the prime systems contract as government speak for all the biodefense products for the department of defense for advanced development which is to say clinical trials through licensure and that's my kind of transition from being an academic to focusing on actually making things that work in people and the big epiphany there was that the world is full of these academic thought leaders that publish in big journals and stuff but that doesn't really lead to products and I really wanted to make products that would help people and so since then for the last I guess about 20 years I've been focused on actually doing stuff regulatory affairs, clinical development, getting necessary training, etc. completed a fellowship at harvard university medical school in uh global as a qlobal clinical scholar to round out my cv and I've uh run you know over 100 clinical trials mostly in the vaccine space but also in drug repurposing I've been involved in every major outbreak since aids this is kind of what I do um I've won literally billions of dollars in federal grants and contracts I'm often brought in by nih to serve as a study section chair for awarding you know 80 to 120 million dollar contracts in vaccines and biodefense I've spent countless hours at the CDC at the AC ACIP meetings um I have multiple friends at the CDC I work closely with defense threat reduction agency which is a and it's one of my favorite uh clients partners teaming partners and I work with the chem biodefense group there's other branches um including the other this is not the branch that funded the wuhan labs that's another branch of DTRA um I've got many friends in the intelligence community so I'm I'm kind of a pretty deep insider in terms of the government I know Tony Fauci personally I've dealt with him my whole career and then and then we had this particular outbreak and um I was uh tip of the spear on bringing the ebola vaccine forward that we now call the merc ebola vaccine I'm the one that got Merk involved.
JR: now when the pandemic broke out previous to that I mean you're you're kind of thought of as a heretic now in some strange way . . .
RM: Pariah.
JR: yeah it's probably a better word and the fact that you've been banned from twitter is it's it's very confusing because I've been following your tweets and I've been reading all the things you've written and I don't understand how it justifies a ban and I don't know what was the partic particular tweet did they tell you what the particular tweet was or what the offense was that
RM: they never tell you
JR: they never told you
RM: well they never tell anybody
JR: they removed you for not going along with whatever the tech narrative is because tech clearly has a censorship agenda when it comes to COVID in terms of treatment in terms of the whether or not you're promoting what they would call vaccine hesitancy they can ban you for that they can ban you for in their eyes what they think is a justifiable offense and they're doing this and I don't know who these people are that are doing this but they're doing these this one of the most important things about you reading out your history like that is to one of the most qualified people in the world to talk about vaccines
RM: well thank you for that I I think that that's so one way that some people put it is and of course since this has happened I've been contacted by multiple lawyers that are looking at filing a suit just like alex berenson has one against twitter um and and the point is made just with what you just made uh um if so the point that I I think is kind of succinct on this is um if my voice if if there's no merit to my voice being in the conversation whether I it's true or not whether I'm factually correct or hot let's park that just for a minute whether or not I'm right in everything I say and I freely admit no one's perfect I'm not perfect it's one of my core points is people should think for themselves and I try really hard to give people the information and help them to think not to tell them what to think okay um but the point is if if I'm not if if it's not okay for me to be part of the conversation even though I'm pointing out scientific facts that may be inconvenient then who is who can be and whether you're in the camp that says I'm a liar and I didn't invent this technology despite the patents when there's a whole cohort of that no one can debate that dispute that I played a major role in the creation of this tech and virtually all other voices that have that background have conflicts of interest financial conflicts of interest I think I'm the only one that doesn't I'm not getting any money out of this so i think that it starts to touch on some fundamental constitutional principles about rights of free speech I suspect that's kind of where you're going on that
JR: well most certainly but also how disturbing it is for someone who's not an academic like myself to watch people like you get silenced and silenced in this platform of social media where people are exchanging information they're posting up studies and you're discussing different parts of this pandemic that are in the news and what the issues may lie in and where your background and your expertise allows you to explain this in a way that maybe it's not being explained because of the narrative that's being discussed in the mainstream news and to watch you get silenced first of all to watch you get ostracized I've seen that I've seen people distance themselves from you I've seen people call you a crazy person and criticize you but with no specific thing to point to it became like a tag they put on you like oh that guy like I brought you up to someone and he goes oh that guy's crazy I go how so there was no answer
RM: yes so
JR: okay so this is a thing you're gonna just say someone's crazy when they say something that's inconvenient or say something that makes you uncomfortable because you've decided to accept a certain narrative. Did twitter warn you?
RM: no.
JR: Was there any tweets where they said that this is misleading or anything?
RM: no no they never do.
JR: do you have any idea what the final tweet was or what the context was?
RM: I think I do and there's no way to confirm it until the lawyers you know do their lawyering um now I did have in the case of when I was banned from LinkedIn remember this happened um
RM: I wasn't aware of that
JR: yeah I was de-platformed from linkedin many months ago and uh it was uh there was actually two events of of de-platforming in linkedin and in both cases I was able to get an explanation for what the specific crimes were the thought crimes and in in the first I one it was a tweet a linkedin posting in which I pointed out that the chairman of the board of Thomson Reuters also sits on the board of pfizer and and I simply wrote um is does this look like a conflict of interest to you okay and this gets to your core question about tech it's not tech it's it's the horizontal integration across all major industries now under the control of common funds all of these industries the harmonization of the tech censorship the interests of pharma um big media etc and governments all being harmonized in their messaging globally I mean I travel a lot okay I see the same and I have physicians coming to me all the time about what they're experiencing the same playbook is going on every continent okay but getting back to linkedin so this is this is the first event and steve kirsch intervened called up a vice president of linkedin and steve kirsh is a tech guy right yeah yes he's a silicon valley entrepreneur um who you may or may not recall that I was on the brett weinstein dark horse podcast with steve that kind of lit this whole fire up months and months that's right okay that's where I first saw him yeah so so he he has great network connections in silicon valley he invented the optical mouse um and so he he called this vice president linkedin the guy looked into it meanwhile um people started dropping off of linkedin in protest and there was major press articles all over the world and then they reinstated me and I actually got a very kind letter this is unprecedented personal letter from this vice president apologizing and saying and saying specifically that they didn't have the talent to fact check me and uh then therefore they were gonna let me go now then subsequently I got dropped again and a phone call was made and they got put on. In that case, the sin was that some one of their fact checkers because remember this is microsoft one of their fact checkers had identified the atlantic monthly article attack article was written about me and concluded that I was an anti-vaxxer and therefore I should not be allowed on linkedin now the context for that that's fascinating is that atlantic monthly attack article that is often cited by my detractors and it's a fascinating read um we could go down that rabbit hole but no reason um it was written a few days after peter navarro and I came out with an op-ed in the washington times in which we criticized biden policy on vaccines and said that they should be reserved for those that need the most and not used universally and we said some other things about the need of of testing and um tools so that people can assess their true risk it was a political retaliation intended to take me off the map as I was starting to interact more of a public policy sphere now with this this twitter event my wife and I have racked our brains about what was the what is likely to have been the tweet that triggered this and you know you never know the last two that I can think of that went out was one that was on our sub stack in which we um referred to a fantastic video that has been put out by the canadian COVID care alliance group that summarizes all the malfeasance and data manipulation misinterpretation associated with the pfizer vaccines and their clinical trials it's a super video and um of course that's I guess that is uh interpreted as something that would cause people to become vaccine hesitant that's the sin in general is saying things that cause people to become vaccine hesitant the other thing that I put out immediately before that was a post a link to a website for the world economic forum that lays out their entire strategy for how they manage media how they're managing COVID-19 and all of their core messaging it's a fascinating website with links those are the only two things I can think of that would meet the criteria. So, you know my position all the way through this comes off of the platform of bioethics and the importance of informed consent so my position is that people should have the freedom of choice particularly for their children um and that in order to con to appropriately choose to participate in a medical experiment they have to be fully informed of the risks as well as the benefits and so I've tried really hard to make sure that people have access to the information about those risks and potential benefits the true unfiltered academic papers and raw data etc. and the policy that's being implemented is one in which no discussion of the risks are allowed because by definition they will elicit vaccine hesitance so it can't be discussed but that's the fundamental background that's the backbone of informed consent so informed consent is not only not happening it's being actively blocked that makes sense.
JR: it does make sense and it's unprecedented I mean I can't recall a time ever where people weren't able to discuss the side effects of medication whether or not the studies are accurate whether or not people should universally take these things or whether it should be done on a person-by-person basis this is a it's a very strange time and so when someone who's an expert like yourself has a dissenting opinion and you see that dissenting opinion immediately silenced or si- or at least immediately criticized and then these attempts at silencing it it just signifies how confusing and how troubled the times were in are when Covid first hit when the lockdown started happening in march of 2020 what was your position on all this.
RM: so you're kind of asking my origin story with Covid
JR: yes I mean were you initially um have you taken the COVID vaccine
RM: so the answer is yes I've also been infected twice
JR: after you took it um
RM: once before I was infected at the end of February because I was attending a MIT conference on drug discovery and artificial intelligence so this is pre-lockdown February 20. you but it goes back further than that um there's a CIA agent that I've co-published with in the past named Michael Callahan he was in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019 he called me from Wuhan on January 4th I was currently managing a team that was focusing on drug discovery for organophosphate poisoning ergo nerve agents for DTRA, defense threat reduction agency, involving high-performing computing and biorobot screening um high-end stuff and he told me Robert you got to get your team spun up because we got a problem with this new virus I worked with him through prior outbreaks and so it was then that I turned my attention to this started modeling um a key protein a protease inhibitor of this virus when the sequence was released on January 11th as the Wuhan seafood market virus and I've been pretty much going non-stop ever since to that point with with drug repurposing so I'm the one that originally discovered famotidine as an agent um because I was self-treating myself after I got infected with agents that we'd identified through the computer modeling.
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SOURCE: Congressional Record Vol. 167, No. 223(1), Congressional Record Vol. 167, No. 223(2)
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